The MiG-23 is in a different weight class than the MiG-21 or Ye-8. It needed to be as well in order to carry a useful radar, fire control and armament. It's the avionics rather than the swing wing per se that made it complicated and expensive.



MiG-23 with 60° delta wing and some moustaches to generate a bit more lift at high alpha for landing/manoeuvre.

Right now I'm playing with putting MiG-21I "analog"(the test bead for Tu-144 supersonic airliner) on a MiG-23 hull.
It shows some promise.

Use of canards was tried but droped I have to move the wings in a lower position and this plane no longer resembles the MiG-23.

My idea turned out not to be as simple as copying Mirage F.1/Mirage G arrangement.


Side Note:
More I learn about the MiG them more respect I get for this powerful airframe.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral My input with semi-annular radiator and better view over the nose.

Reminds me very strongly of a design I've been working on with AVALMA.


EDIT: ...and I go back and look at what's been posted earlier. I see you guys like my ideas

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by klagldsf on 15.08.2010 at 22:12.

Got any pics of your projects?

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They weren't posted already?

Since you worked on then with ALVAMA I assumed that they have refined

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*peeks in* You know, we set up a whole subforum for you guys. Might want to think about diversifying outside this one thread, maybe? Make things a bit easier to find, and such?

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Originally posted by Vukovlad Since you worked on then with ALVAMA I assumed that they have refined

Not really, in fact I sent them to you to get refined in the first place :p


...and by that do you mean the national encyclopedias? Well, I'm not exactly Peru. I'll just quickly post them here anyway.

I think he meant the whole Non-WW Design Folder..as apposed to just the Various Aircraft and Tanks thread. I.e. Make a new thread or something.

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Indeed. Just a suggestion.

http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/board.php?boardid=128&sid=

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This should help us disguise the darker Canadian purpose: global domination." - Paul Gross

In the late 40Žs early 50Žs the the Peruvian air force looked with dread at the rapid acquistion of jet fighters by Chile which led to a crash program by CAA resulting in the CAA Harpía

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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Vukovlad on 02.09.2010 at 16:50.

Interesting. Two questions:
- How's the landing gear laid out? The tail looks rather like it's extended far enough to unbalance the placement of tricycle gear in the "low" part of the fuselage.
- Any particular reason for the name Caracara? Might get confused with the Chilean fighter of that name...

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It is a MiG-9M that has been redesiged to be single engined with MiG-15 wing so it uses the same landing gear as the MiG-9. As for the name i just used a Bird of prey native to Peru (missed that Chile has a fighter with the same name)

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Hm, I guess I can see that. It looked more like a long-tailed Yak-15 with a 1950s Mig swept-wing.

I guess you're thinking specs similar to the Mig-9, then?

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Originally posted by Vukovlad In the late 40Žs early 50Žs the the Peruvian air force looked with dread at the rapid acquistion of jet fighters by Chile which led to a crash program by CAA resulting in the CAA Harpía

That's great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wit a more powerful engine and swept wings I was thinking of something between the MiG-9/Yak-23 and Mig-15 in performance

BTW changed the name to Harpía to avoid confusion, do you have a pic of the Chilean Caracara?

Edit: Found the Caracara the licence built Pe-3bis

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Originally posted by Vukovlad BTW changed the name to Harpía to avoid confusion, do you have a pic of the Chilean Caracara?

The ENAER Caracara is a license-built Petlyakov Pe-3bis with Spartan V-1500 engines.

The F3E Caracara is built in fighter configuration; the B1E Caracara is built in the bomber configuration. The subvariant B1E-P is a B1E fitted for high-speed reconnaissance. As of December 1939, the ENAER has built 8 F3Es, no B1Es, and 25 B1E-Ps.

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And this would be the second generation

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Originally posted by Vukovlad And this would be the second generation

Looks rather like a straightforward Mig-15, though maybe a tad of Dassault influence in the fore-part of the airframe.

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Like I said earlier the fore part is the OTL MiG-9M

And the MiG-15 to compare with

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