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Good question. Hood and Hrolf were the ones who did the deal on the payments of the export battlecruisers originally, so I am not 100% sure if this reasoning is correct. When I asked about buying two battlecruisers for Brazil, two options were given by Hrolf, essentially that Brazil could pay the full price for the full time or Brazil could pay less than it should but for 2 quarters longer. If you look in these three threads, the Q3/37 and Q4/37 reports you will notice although tonnage was sent to Germany from Brazil, no construction was taken until Q1/38. I do believe the math adds up then.
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=7233&sid=
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=7395&sid=
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=7616&sid=
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The Royal Romanian Navy
As of December 1938
Battle Force
BB Amiral Murgescu
BB Regele Carol (FF)
BB Regele Ferdinand
2nd Cruiser Squadron
CL Cetetea Alba
CL Cluj-Napoca
1st Destroyer Flotilla
DD Vifor (FL)
DD Viscol
DD Vartez
DD Vijele
2nd Destroyer Flotilla
DD Galatz (FL)
DD Moldova
DD Smeul
DD Marasti
Cruiser Force
1st Cruiser Squadron
CA Dacia (FF)
CA Constanta
3rd Destroyer Flotilla
DD Ardeal (FL)
DD Bucovina
DD Basarabia
DD Transylvania
4th Destroyer Flotilla
DD Marasesti (FL)
DD Oradea
DD Sboru
DD Baia Mare
Coastal Force
1st Torpedo Boat Flotilla
6TB of the Naluca Class
2nd Torpedo Flotilla
7TB of the Major Sontu Class
3rd Torpedo Flotilla
6TB of the Vlad III Class
1st Minesweeper Flotilla (forming)
MS-1
MS-2
Danube Riverine Patrol
GB Locotenant Lepri Remus
GB Locotenant-Comandor Stihi Eugen
GB Sublocotenant Ghiculescu
GB Capitan Dumitrescu
GB Bistrita
GB Oltul
GB Siretul
M-1
M-2
M-3
M-4
M-5
M-6
M-7
2nd Monitor Squadron
RM-1
RM-2
RM-3
RM-4
RM-5
Submarine Force
1st Submarine Flotilla
SS Delfinul
SS Siakasryba
2nd Submarine Flotilla
SS S-1
SS S-2
SS S-3
SS S-4
SS S-5
3rd Submarine Flotilla
SS S-6
SS S-7
SS S-8
SS S-9
SS S-10
4th Submarine Flotilla
SS S-11
SS S-12
SS S-13
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| Thread: Order of Battle |
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Marinha Imperial Organization as of Q4/38
First Coastal Defence Group
First Battleship Division (Sao Paulo)
BB Minas Gerais (FF) (formerly Sao Paulo)
CLs Bahia, Barroso
DDs Salvador, Maranhão
Attached
2nd Submarine Flotilla
SS A-1, A-2, A-3, A-4
1st Minesweeper Flotilla
M-1, M-2, M-3, M-4
Second Coastal Defence Group
Second Battleship Division (Rio de Janeiro)
BB Santa Anna (on loan from Mexico)
CLs Amazonas, Abreu
DDs Matto Grosso, Piauhy, Rio Grande do Norte, Santa Catarina
1st Submarine Flotilla
F-3, Pirana, Manta, Paraiba
2nd Minesweeper Flotilla
MSW M-5, M-6. M-7, M-8
First Scouting Group
First Cruiser Division (Sao Paulo)
CV Cinco de Mayo (on loan from Mexico)
CLs Almirante Barroso, Almirante Saldanha, Sagitério
DDs Ocelot, Colocolo, Pampas, Parahyba
Second Scouting Group
Second Cruiser Division (Rio de Janeiro)
CLs Almirante Tamandaré, Esgrimsta
DDs Pantera, Lince, Tigre, Ceará
Third Scouting Group
Third Cruiser Division (Rio de Janeiro)
CL Almirante Abreu, CL Mosqueteiro, CL Piqueiro
DDs Felis, Oncilla, Chita,
Minesweeping Group
3rd Minesweeping Flotilla (Sao Paulo)
M-9, M-10, M-11, M-12
4th Minesweeping Flotilla
M-13, M-14, M-15, M-16
5th Minesweeping Flotilla
M-17, M-18, M-19, M-20
6th Destroyer Flotilla (forming)
DD Pará (FL), DD Verde, DD Arara,
3rd Submarine Flotilla (forming)
SS A-5, SS A-6
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The Royal Romanian Navy
As of December 1937
Battle Force
BB Amiral Murgescu
BB Regele Carol (FF)
BB Regele Ferdinand
2nd Cruiser Squadron
CL Cetetea Alba
1st Destroyer Flotilla
DD Vifor (FL)
DD Viscol
DD Vartez
DD Vijele
2nd Destroyer Flotilla
DD Galatz (FL)
DD Moldova
DD Smeul
DD Marasti
Cruiser Force
1st Cruiser Squadron
CA Dacia (FF)
CA Constanta
3rd Destroyer Flotilla
DD Ardeal (FL)
DD Bucovina
DD Basarabia
DD Transylvania
4th Destroyer Flotilla (forming)
DD Marasesti (FL)
Coastal Force
1st Torpedo Boat Flotilla
6TB of the Naluca Class
2nd Torpedo Flotilla
7TB of the Major Sontu Class
3rd Torpedo Flotilla
6TB of the Vlad III Class
Danube Riverine Patrol
GB Locotenant Lepri Remus
GB Locotenant-Comandor Stihi Eugen
GB Sublocotenant Ghiculescu
GB Capitan Dumitrescu
GB Bistrita
GB Oltul
GB Siretul
M-1
M-2
M-3
M-4
M-5
M-6
M-7
Submarine Force
1st Submarine Flotilla
SS Delfinul
SS Siakasryba
2nd Submarine Flotilla
SS S-1
SS S-2
SS S-3
SS S-4
SS S-5
3rd Submarine Flotilla
SS S-6
SS S-7
SS S-8
SS S-9
SS S-10
4th Submarine Flotilla
SS S-11
SS S-12
SS S-13
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| Thread: Hrolf's absense |
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Welcome back gentlemen, more Canadians is always a good thing in my view, although I may be biased in saying that.
PM's coming both your ways shortly on various topics.
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| Thread: Polish Reports OOC |
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Thanks, Perdy.
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Iberia does have an impressive number of MTB's and MGB's, as well as other smaller ships not covered under the treaty though, which is the area I think Mac mainly covered while the treaty was on. He does need some newer cruisers now though, the newest design is now nearing 12 years old.
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Ah yes, forgot about the LaLuna's. Still, they were completed when the treaty was nearing its end, and I found it interesting that Iberia decided to take the same route as Italy and remain with the 15in rather than go to something bigger.
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There you go Perdy, your Iberian fix is up. Up next is the mighty Fleet of the Russian Federation, with 72 ships to be profiled.
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March 4th
The Polish Department of Naval Intelligence has delivered its report on the Iberian Navy. Details are given below, a side note Polish Intelligence is unclear what vessels remain in active service in the Iberian Navy due to the age of some of the vessels, so therefore decided to assume all known Iberian vessels
are in service. The specs on some of the vessels are unclear, and while many seem to have received refits in 1927 the information we have may or may not reflect this.
Iberia
Current Ships In Service
4 Carlos V Class (Design 1911, refitted in 1926)
8 13.8in, 12 5.1in, 18 57mm, 26 knots, 13.8in belt, 3in deck, 27,156 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia’s oldest battleships, they were refitted in 1926, and have more modern anti-aircraft armament, as well as being 3 knots faster than before due to a more modern power plant.
4 Portugal Class (Design 1914, refitted 1926)
12 13.8in, 12 6.7in, 12 3.9in, 24 57mm, 36 20mm, 22 knots, 13.4 in belt, 2in deck, 34,074 normal tons.
Comments: Although very powerful ships when first completed, these ships, like their predecessors are now outclassed by more modern designs, despite their refit 13 years ago. The Portugals in many respects are the less modern of the two, because during their refit they retained the same level of speed and protection as before, the only difference being the addition of more anti-aircraft guns.
3 La Luna Class (Design 1932)
6 15in, 12 5.1in, 24 57mm, 32 25mm, 28 knots, 13.8in belt, 4.7in deck, 29,329 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia’s newest battleships, these are designed for colonial service, and have been deployed to Iberia’s various colonial holdings, likely Hainan, Ecuador, and somewhere in Central America, Cuba or Panama being likely prospects.
2 Navarra Class (Design 1921)
8 5.1in, 29 knots, 9in belt, 2.4in deck, 21,330 normal tons, 67 planes
Comments: Iberia’s first carrier, started life as an armoured cruiser, but due to the terms of the Cleito Treaty was converted to an aircraft carrier. Quite old ships now, one is used as a training carrier for new pilots.
2 Toledo Class (Design 1928)
8 5.1in, 24 57mm, 16 25mm, 32 knots, 3.9in belt, 3.9in deck, 20,819 normal tons, 48 planes.
Comments: Iberia’s two aircraft carriers, around average size, although their aircraft complement is somewhat small for the size of the ships.
2 Seville Class (Design 1936)
8 5.1in, 24 57mm, 32 25mm, 33 knots, 3.9in belt, 3.9in deck, 23,178 normal tons, 58 planes.
Comments: Iberia’s newest aircraft carriers are a balanced design, with good protection for a carrier, are fast and have a decent sized aircraft group for their size.
3 Santa Maria Class (Design 1912, Refit 1928)
10 9.45in, 12 5.1in, 12 57mm, 30 knots, 9.06in belt, 1.57in deck, 21,005 normal tons.
Comments: A class of Armoured Cruisers dating back to before the beginning of the Great War, the Santa Maria’s were given a fairly extensive refit in 1928 which increased their armament and speed, at the expense of protection.
El Cid (Design 1920)
12 9.45in, 16 3.9in, 12 57mm, 31.6 knots, 9.1 in belt, 2in deck, 25,156 normal tons.
Comments: A very powerful ship when completed, the El Cid’s design is now nearly 20 years old and likely in need of modernization or replacement.
10 Ingio Montoya Class (Design 1923)
8 8.3in, 8 5.1in, 18 57mm, 12 13.5mm, 32 knots, 4.7in belt, 2in deck, 12,200 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia’s heavy cruiser class, fairly heavy secondary armament for a cruiser, average protection, and speed, these cruisers were designed and built in the early 1920’s and although at the time of their commissioning they were modern ships, now they are becoming somewhat dated.
5 Moncao Class (Design 1925)
6 9.45in, 6 5.1in, 12 57mm, 16 25mm, 24 knots, 7.87in belt, 2.95in deck, 9,602 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia chose to put its Coastal Defence Ship tonnage it was awarded under the Cleito Treaty towards a class of 5 Escort Cruisers, which are typical of the type being relatively well armed and protected, but somewhat slower than conventional cruisers. Interestingly enough they are faster than the rebuilt Portugal class dreadnoughts though.
4 El Cunctador Class (Design 1905, Refit 1927)
2 6.7in, 6 3.9in, 2 57mm, 4 14mm, 25 knots, 3in belt, 1.6in deck, 4,999 normal tons.
Comments: The oldest cruisers, and the oldest ships still serving in the world, the El Cunctador class seems to defy the definition of obsolete, at least that is apparently the opinion of the Iberian Navy which has apparently kept these ships which are nearing 35 years old in commission. Refitted in 1927, these ships likely are used for coastal defence purposes, being too slow to escort the main fleet now.
3 Adelante Class (Design 1912)
4 6.7in, 6 57mm, 4 13mm, 27 knots, 2in belt, 1.2in deck, 3,163 normal tons.
Comments: The oldest unmodernized cruisers still serving with a Great Power, the Adelante class cruisers are somewhat past their due date to be replaced, or refitted.
6 Angola Class (Design 1914, Refit 1927)
7 6.7in, 2 57mm, 4 13mm, 27 knots, 3in belt, 1.8in deck, 6,137 normal tons.
Comments: A newer design, the Angola’s are still quite dated, although compared to other 6in cruisers of the period they did have decent firepower, with their 7 6.7in guns. Refitted in 1927, in wartime the likely role of the Angola’s would be as convoy escorts against raiders as they are now quite slow compared to even the modern capital ships.
4 Santiago de Cuba Class (Design 1917, Refit 1927)
7 6.7in, 8 57mm, 4 14mm, 31 knots, 3.35in belt, 1.6in deck, 7,884 normal tons.
Comments: Wartime contemporaries of the British D class, the Santiago’s are like their predecessors dated compared to modern cruisers even with the refit done 12 years ago. Likely ready for either replacement, or a second refit.
5 Santa Juana Class (Design 1909, Refit 1927)
4 6.7in, 8 3.9in, 2 57mm, 4 13mm, 27 knots, 3in belt, 1.8in, 5,443 normal tons.
Comments: The second oldest cruisers serving in the Iberian Navy, like most of the other older cruisers she benefited from a refit in 1927. And like most of the other older cruisers, she is likely to be used as an escort cruiser in wartime, due to her limited role as modern fleet cruiser.
6 Hasta Leoga Class (Design 1919)
6 5.1in, 6 57mm, 4 14mm, 32 knots, 2in belt, 1.2in deck, 4,567 normal tons.
Comments: A small, scout cruiser design, these small cruisers likely serve as destroyer leaders for the Iberian Fleet, and like most of the Iberian Cruiser Fleet will require refitting or replacement in the coming years.
Aguila (Design 1920)
8 6in, 12 57mmm, 29 knots, 3in belt, 1.4in deck, 9,234 normal tons.
Comments: An odd ship, the Aguila was the first cruiser constructed with quad turrets, and the first modern Iberian Cruiser with 6in guns. Apparently the Iberian Naval Staff protested when His Majesty wished the Royal Yacht to be so equipped, knowing it would take up valuable tonnage under the Cleito Treaty, but His Majesty apparently got his way.
6 Teide Class (Design 1925)
9 6in 18 57mm, 24 25mm, 32 knots, 2.4in belt, 2in deck, 6,952 normal tons.
Comments: The first of Iberia’s two modern cruiser designs, the Teide class are a balanced design comparable to other late 1920’s 9 6in cruisers built during the limitations of the Cleito Treaty.
3 San Hainando Class (Design 1928)
9 6in, 10 57mm, 16 25mm, 33 knots, 3.15in belt, 1.2in deck, 6,299 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia’s newest cruiser design, like the Teide class are balanced design and comparable to most other cruisers built under Cleito. Nevertheless, the design is over 10 years old now, and newer cruisers are likely on the way.
Ships Building
4 Mercury Class (Design 1937)
9 15in, 22 5.1in, 36 57mm, 48 25mm, 30 knots, 14.8in belt, 6.3in deck, 45,779 normal tons.
Comments: Iberia’s newest battleships, are fast, well protected, and armed with 9 15in guns. Like its Italian ally, Iberia has not yet gone the route of many others in the world in switching to 16in or larger calibres, preferring rather to add a gun size most of the rest of the world are shying away from.
2 Bilbao (Design 1936)
16 5.1in, 28 57mm, 36 25mm, 33 knots, 3.9in belt, 4.9in deck, 37,261 normal tons, 82 planes.
Comments: Iberia’s newest fleet carrier, a fast, well armoured carrier, with a fairly large aircraft complement, and good armament.
Totals for the Iberian Navy:
Capital Ships: 11, 4 building or planned
Carriers: 6, 2 building
Heavy/Armoured Cruisers: 13 ships
Cruisers: 38 ships
Monitors/CDS: 5 ships
Aircraft complement on carriers: 346
WW Rankings as of Q1/39
Capital Ships: 5 (three-way tie)
Carriers: 4 (three-way tie)
Total: 4 (74 ships)
Comments on the Iberian Navy
Upon first glance the Iberian Navy seems quite powerful, seeing as it is the 4th ranked navy in the world, ahead of its Caribbean rival the USN. However, on closer glance one sees that the Iberian Navy is currently as one commentator put it a “paper tiger,” or more critically a “museum fleet.” Of the 74 ships covered in this report, 57 could be considered as being dated or entirely obsolete. Much of this can be attributed to several factors, the Cleito Limitations Treaty, an Iberian Navy which seems to have spent much of the late 1920’s and 1930’s concentrating on constructing a powerful littoral fleet for use in the Caribbean rather than modernizing or replacing its larger ships. The large (600 ship) “mosquito fleet” is likely the largest in the world at this time, and is probably a reflection of Iberian priorities, seeing as while tensions between the US, Atlantis, and Iberia have diminished, relations between Mexico and Iberia remain poor. The Caribbean is likely where Iberia expects the next conflict between itself and another nation to occur, so in light of that, Iberia has reacted accordingly. However, China has made its intentions towards various European colonies in the Far East known, and Iberia holds three colonies quite near the Chinese mainland. While the Iberian fleet, obsolete though it is likely is a match for what China has, the Chinese are not the only Asian power in the region.
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Camping trip before summer ends, although up here its ending already. I am heading out to the lake this weekend (Thrus-Sun), so while I am away once again I entrust the care of Brazil and Romania to my allies in ABC and WP. In the unlikely event something major happens while I am away, that can't wait till I get back, Brock can answer for Brazil and Romania if need be.
Weather forecast for the weekend where I am going is averaging around 15C, and rainy, nice warm fall weather where I am, likely winter weather where Tex is from. 
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| Thread: Polish Reports OOC |
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Edited the SAE reports, and the completion of the Nampula II does push the RSAN into second place, 1 ship ahead of the IAN and the IJN.
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| Thread: Romania 1939 |
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November 21st
A new car company has been founded today in Romania, the Automobile Dacia. Skoda Auto is to own 40% of the company, with the remaining 60% to be owned by Romanian investors. A factory is to be built in the town of Mioveni to construct licenced copies of the Skoda Rapid, and the Skoda Popular for the Romanian market.
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| Thread: Romania 1939 |
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Romania Q4, 1939
A. Factories
3/6 factories = 3000t produced + 1001t stockpiled + 0t from scrapping + 2000t transferred = 6,001t
5,125t used, 876t stockpiled
3/6 factories (committed)
0/6 factories (flexible)
B. Infrastructure Development
0.6 IP developed, to upgrade Type 2 drydock at Constanta. 0.3 invested, 0.0 to complete, 0.1 IP delivered to Poland for Payment of 2 Armoured Cruisers, 1.0IP to complete.
0.2IP to upgrade Type 1 drydock at Constanta. 0.2 invested, 0.8 to complete
C. Naval Development and Construction
at Galatz:
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 drydock: idle
Free Floating: RM-6 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 32t used (0t to complete) completed Oct 17, 39.
at Constanta:
1 Type 1 slip: BB Regele laid down Oct 01, 39, 1,289t used (5,491t to complete).
1 Type 1 slip: idle
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 Slip: idle
1 Type 2 drydock- begins upgrade to T3, 0.3IP invested, 0.0IP to complete
1 Type 1 drydock: begins upgrade to D2, 0.2IP invested, 0.8 to complete.
1 Type 0- drydock : idle
Free Floating: RM-7 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, completed Oct 17, 39, 32t used (0t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-8 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, completed Oct 17, 39, 32t used (0t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-9 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, completed Oct 17, 39, 32t used (0t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-10 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, completed Oct 17, 39, 32t used (0t to complete).
Free Floating: BB Arges laid down April 01, 39, launched Oct 10, 39, 1,289t used (1,624t to complete)
Free Floating: Training Ship Mircea laid down April 01 39, launched July 03, 39, 359t used, (147t to complete).
D. Transactions
1,000t transferred from Poland
1,000t transferred from Yugoslavia
1,200t transferred to Greece for construction of CL Banat, 2,388t to complete
828t transferred to Canada for 4 9.2in turrets.
E. Other Notes
Cruiser CL-4 (Moldova) continue shake-down cruise, Destroyers vr 33 3 (Prut), vr 33 4 (Olt) continue shake-down cruise, Monitors RM-6 to RM-10 begin shake-down cruise.
Ships laid down this quarter: none
F. Scrappage Report
G. Updated Order of Battle, 31 December 1939
BB 2(0)+2
CA 2(0)+2
CL 4(0)+1
DD 16(0)+0
TB 19(0)+0
MSW 5 (0)+0
ML 4(0)+0
GB 7(0)+0
M 17(0)+0
Subs 15(0)+0
MTB 25(0)+0
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Romania Q3, 1939
A. Factories
3/6 factories = 3000t produced + 1149t stockpiled + 0t from scrapping + 2000t transferred = 6,149t
5, 148t used, 1,001t stockpiled
3/6 factories (committed)
0/6 factories (flexible)
B. Infrastructure Development
0.3 IP developed, to upgrade Type 2 drydock at Constanta. 0.2 invested, 0.3 to complete, 0.1 IP delivered to Poland for Payment of 2 Armoured Cruisers, 1.1IP to complete.
C. Naval Development and Construction
at Galatz:
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 drydock: idle
Free Floating: RM-6 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (32t to complete).
at Constanta:
1 Type 1 slip- idle: BB Arges laid down April 01, 39, 1,289t used (4,202t to complete)
1 Type 1 slip- Training Ship Mircea laid down April 01 39, launched July 03, 39, 359t used, (506t to complete).
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 Slip: idle
1 Type 2 drydock- begins upgrade to T3, 0.2IP invested, 0.3IP to complete
1 Type 1 drydock: idle
1 Type 0- drydock : idle
Free Floating: DD vr 33 3 laid down Oct 01 38, launched Jan 2, 39, completed July 04, 39, 127t used, (0t to complete)
Free Floating: DD vr 33 4 laid down Oct 01 38, launched Jan 2, 39, completed July 04, 39, 127t used, (0t to complete)
Free Floating: CL-4 Moldova laid down July 01 38, launched December 31 38, completed August 31, 39, 1,196t used (0t to complete)
Free Floating: RM-7 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (32t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-8 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (32t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-9 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (32t to complete).
Free Floating: RM-10 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (32t to complete).
D. Transactions
1,000t transferred from Poland
1,000t transferred from Yugoslavia
1,200t transferred to Greece for construction of CL Banat, 3,588t to complete
E. Other Notes
Destroyers vr 33 1 (Danube), vr 33 2 (Mures) complete shake-down cruise, MSW MS-5 complete shake-down cruise, Cruiser CL-4 (Moldova) begins shake-down cruise, Destroyers vr 33 3 (Prut), vr 33 4 (Olt) begin shake-down cruise.
Ships laid down this quarter: none
F. Scrappage Report
G. Updated Order of Battle, 30 September 1939
BB 2(0)+1
CA 2(0)+2
CL 4(0)+1
DD 16(0)+0
TB 19(0)+0
MSW 5 (0)+0
ML 4(0)+0
GB 7(0)+0
M 12(0)+5
Subs 15(0)+0
MTB 25(0)+0
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Technically classified as battleships due to the Constantinople Treaty, the Arges class are more of a Coastal Defence Ship. They were built mainly to use up funds in the 1939/40 naval budget, but had to be able to fit in the available drydocks at Constanta naval base.
Arges, laid down 1939
Regele laid down 1939
Transylvannia, Romania Coast Defence Ship laid down 1939
Displacement:
6,780 t light; 7,158 t standard; 8,005 t normal; 8,683 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.00 ft / 393.00 ft x 61.00 ft x 21.25 ft (normal load)
119.79 m / 119.79 m x 18.59 m x 6.48 m
Armament:
4 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (2x2 guns), 510.00lbs / 231.33kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (6x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1939 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,041 lbs / 1,379 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 255.45 ft / 77.86 m 9.37 ft / 2.86 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 5.31" / 135 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Armour deck: 4.50" / 114 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,975 shp / 14,156 Kw = 21.50 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,526 tons
Complement:
423 - 550
Cost:
£3.362 million / $13.447 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 320 tons, 4.0 %
Armour: 2,990 tons, 37.3 %
- Belts: 939 tons, 11.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 589 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 1,393 tons, 17.4 %
- Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 513 tons, 6.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,757 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,225 tons, 15.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.5 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,809 lbs / 6,264 Kg = 35.5 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 15.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.81 ft / 6.65 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 13.88 ft / 4.23 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.88 ft / 4.23 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.88 ft / 4.23 m
- Stern: 13.88 ft / 4.23 m
- Average freeboard: 14.51 ft / 4.42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.6 %
Waterplane Area: 16,731 Square feet or 1,554 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 543 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.16
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Romania Q2, 1939
A. Factories
3/6 factories = 3000t produced + 1,597t stockpiled + 271t from scrapping + 2000t transferred = 6,868t
5,719t used, 1,149t stockpiled
3/6 factories (committed)
0/6 factories (flexible)
B. Infrastructure Development
0.3 IP developed, to upgrade Type 2 drydock at Constanta. 0.2 invested, 0.5 to complete, 0.1 IP delivered to Poland for Payment of 2 Armoured Cruisers, 1.2IP to complete.
C. Naval Development and Construction
at Galatz:
1 Type 0 slip: idle
1 Type 0 drydock: RM-6 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (202t to complete).
Free Floating: MSW MS-5 laid down Oct 01 38, launched Feb 24, 39, 149t used (0t to complete) completed May 13 39
at Constanta:
1 Type 1 slip: BB Arges laid down April 01, 39, 1,289t used ( 5,491t to complete).
1 Type 1 slip- Training Ship Mircea laid down April 01 39, 359t used, (865t to complete).
1 Type 0 slip- RM-7 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (202t to complete).
1 Type 0 slip- RM-8 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (202t to complete).
1 Type 0 Slip- RM-9 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (202t to complete).
1 Type 2 drydock- begins upgrade to T3, 0.2IP invested, 0.5IP to complete
1 Type 1 drydock- idle
1 Type 0- drydock RM-10 laid down Jan 01 39, launched April 25, 39, 170t used (202t to complete).
Free Floating: DD vr 33 3 laid down Oct 01 38, launched Jan 2, 39, 337t used, (127t to complete)
Free Floating: DD vr 33 4 laid down Oct 01 38, launched Jan 2, 39, 337t used, (127t to complete)
Free Floating: CL-4 Moldova laid down July 01 38, launched December 31 38, 1,198t used (1,196t to complete)
D. Transactions
1,000t transferred from Poland
1,000t transferred from Yugoslavia
1,200t transferred to Greece for construction of CL Banat, 4,788t to complete
E. Other Notes
MSW MS-3, MS-4 complete shake-down cruise, Destroyers vr 33 1 (Danube), vr 33 2 (Mure_) continue shake-down cruise, MSW MS-5 begins shake-down cruise.
Ships laid down this quarter: Training Ship Mircea, Battleship Arges.
F. Scrappage Report
82t from scrapping of DD Marasesti
189t from scrapping of CL Cetetea Alba
G. Updated Order of Battle, 30 June 1939
BB 2(0)+1
CA 2(0)+0
CL 3(0)+2
DD 10(4)+2
TB 19(0)+0
MSW 5 (0)+0
ML 4(0)+0
GB 7(0)+0
M 12(0)+5
Subs 15(0)+0
MTB 25(0)+0
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Hey now, nothings a sure thing. How does the "Dracula Sandero sound to you?" 
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| Thread: Romania 1939 |
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November 14th
The Romanian government annouced today that they are undergoing negotiations with various Romanian businessmen, as well as Skoda Auto on the formation of a new car company based in Romania. Romania, unlike its neighbours Hungary and Czechslovakia did not inherit a local automotive tradition, and as a consequence out of a population of around 17 million, only 35,800 motor vehicles were registered in Romania in 1938. The Romanian government wishes to reticfy this, by encouraging the development of a native automotive industry. No word yet on the name of the proposed car company, but some insiders have mentioned various historic names as a possibility.
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The thing is, alot of the borders haven't really been explained. How did Italy get Dalmatia, when it didn't in OTL? Did Italy take it without outside help, because IMO that's the only way Italy would have been able to justify taking Dalmatia. Yugoslavia losing Macedonia, but gaining Albania? What happened there? And how did Bulgaria avoid Neuially? And how did Russia withdraw from the Great War when they should have been receiving a flood of supplies after the Atlanteans open the Darnadelles? Romania not gaining Bessarabia if Russia isn't in some sort of turmoil due to their withdrawal doesn't make much sense either. Greece having Macedonia and Smyrna? The list goes on and on. While outside Europe, things seem to be fairly defined, Europe as it stands today makes no sense. Hence the reason why we wish to develop a timeline to make sense of things.
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| One of reasons behind that would be that we didn't start with anyone in the Balkans besides Greece. We didn't even start with the UK or USA in order to limit the scope. Things have grown a lot from there. Lots of borders aren't historical, mostly from simply using a modern(ish) world map as the starting point. Do I want to come up with a timeline that makes some sort of sense? Not really, my focus of interest isn't in the politics (besides Italy). Coming up with a detailed alternate history to explain the unexplainable doesn't suit me personally. I find it easier to accept things as a fait accompli and move onto matters that are more of interest to me. |
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That is fine if you don't wish to come up with a timeline for Italy, it is your choice after all. There is little change to Italy from historical aside from Dalmatia, which can be explained by the Great War. Not all the other changes in the Balkans can be changed by the Great War, and if there are border changes there is absolutely no reason there can't be changes in diplomacy and foreign relations as well.
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| Preach it, brother Canadian! |
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I most certainly will!
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Then we progress a little while, all along whilst Yugoslavia is going on a military spending bonanza, until we hear of the Warsaw Pact. So, why did all these countries with many opposing views and years of hatred between them suddenly come together in one movement? Ordinarily you'd think it was because Russia was on the march again, but there's been nothing on that front (surprisingly little notice of their "intervention" in Lithuania) so Italy is left with the conclusion that the alliance is directed at her. With such an economic block behind Yugoslavia, a long war has become much more winnable for them.
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Ah yes, that's right. Its a common misconception that the Balkan nations can't get along, and are doomed to spend their efforts ethnically cleansing each other, when in fact the Warsaw Pact is a historical 1930's alliance with two additiona members who were not in it in OTL.
As well as I have mentioned before, you people set borders in the Balkans which are most certainly not historical, do not bother to create or assist with a timeline that can explain said borders, and then insist the Balkan nations must follow what you incorrectly perceive to be OTL levels of hatred against each other.
Preposterous!
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